Curse

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 24, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

I need some advice. I've told him about the constant +100 AL, the warrior-like ranged DPS, and he steadfastly refuses to listen, simply saying "omg paragons suck," "they're wannabe monks," "they're wannabe rangers," "dervishes pwn," "assassins r weak," etc.

Any tips on how to pound some sense into his head, or should I just assume he's an idiot and resign to his nature as a lost cause?

Arkantos · Jul 24, 2008, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Don't forget [theres nothing to fear]

Anyways, if everything you said didn't change his opinion at all, he's an idiot, and you shouldn't waste your time with him.

Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.

The Meth · Jul 24, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Sounds like a lost cause, some people just insist on being stupid. But...

Take a imbagon and both hench monks, then bet him 100k that he can't kill himself* in your party unless he leaves the paragon's shout range.

*sacrifice skills not allowed obviously

Abedeus · Jul 24, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Limitless energy.
Party-wide support and in-your-face DPS.
Imbagon.
Synergy with other paragons.

If he doesn't understand that, he's an idiot.

Songbringer · Jul 24, 2008, 05:39 AM // 05:39

btw the constant +100 al in the imbagon bar is actually a warrior skill. So for you to say paragons are awesomesauce because of that isn't really correct. The build is an amazing bar. However Paragons are awesomesauce for many other reasons. And YESSSS!!! AWESOMESAUCE IS A WORD.

O yea your guildie is a moron tell him to go read a paragon guide and kick him

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 24, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Songbringer

O yea your guildie is a moron tell him to go read a paragon guide and kick him

I'm not an officer yet, I joined a guild to try to give advice to other members; (don't really play anymore myself, but I like helping people get better) have already steered one warrior away from Gladiator's Defense and over to Eviscerape; this Dervish seems like a scrub though.

123dontcare · Jul 24, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.

Arkantos · Jul 24, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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btw the constant +100 al in the imbagon bar is actually a warrior skill. So for you to say paragons are awesomesauce because of that isn't really correct.

How is it not correct? Save yourselves, although a warrior skill, is part of the reason why paragons kick ass.

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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.

...what? Are you trying to say they aren't good because you don't see them in your pugs? In the ~3000 hours of gameplay, playing in balanced PvE, I've pretty much always had a paragon since Nightfall.

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 24, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by 123dontcare

ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.

That's him, by the way.

I'll start by restating what I already told him but he ignored: you don't see many paragons because most players don't have the patience to play paragon long enough to learn how good they are, and often no one tells them how good paragons are. And in your case they hate paragons ahead of time (jealousy?) and steadfastly refuse to play one.

For a bit of information on him: He's played 800 hours in 2 years (casual much?), does not understand most non-Dervish classes' skills, does not understand basic debating, and believes Ursan Blessing is good.

jimmyboveto · Jul 24, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by 123dontcare

ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.

You are still young grasshopper. They are godly in PvE, but maybe you haven't seen that, because all you do is ursan.

DarkNecrid · Jul 24, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

A better reason why you don't see Paras:

They are so stupid easy I can roll my face over my keyboard (after disabling the microsoft key obviously), and not even look at the screen and play a Paragon pretty effectively. (and are therefore, mind numbing boring, even if they are uber.)

true story.

If you don't think unlimited energy, long range sword dps that you don't have to follow the target for, party wide +56dps boost, infinite duration unstrippable IAS, party wide 82.32% damage reduction (SY) combined with another skill that provides a party wide 99.9 some % damage reduction total isn't broken or good, then I have no idea what to tell you.

Arkantos · Jul 24, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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For a bit of information on him: He's played 800 hours in 2 years (casual much?), does not understand most non-Dervish classes' skills, does not understand basic debating, and believes Ursan Blessing is good.

I will be completely honest, and tell you this is an absolute waste of time then.

Abedeus · Jul 24, 2008, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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then I have no idea what to tell you.

I know what to say.

Gtho to hello kitty online adventure. NOW.

rabbidseamonkey · Jul 24, 2008, 06:01 AM // 06:01

["There's Nothing to Fear!"] + ["Save Yourselves!"] + [Anthem of Flame] + ["They're on Fire!"]

'nuff said.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 24, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

He sounds nub, get him kicked somehow. The reason he doesn't see paras in his groups is beause he runs noobway, ursan is baed and therefore by association he is bad as well.

Winterclaw · Jul 24, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09

You could try putting together a good build for him, tell him exactly how to play it, and the take him out for some vanquishing in that build.

Don't know if it'll help though.

dilan155 · Jul 24, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

he sounds 1337 man, and he has more experience than everyone here, he knows what hes talking about, paragons just plain suck, ok lol i cant continue with this. Paragons are extremely unpopular because retards like you spread the word to other retards that paragons suck. They can make your monks job much easier than it should be as well as buffing up your part, having very awesome e-management, warrior's dps from a long ranger thus no need to chase targets. if you dont think those are reasons a paragon is godly im afraid NONE can drill it into your head. Also i dont know what you mant by story playing but if you havent noticed Kormir herself is a paragon. Only reason you dont see a paragon in Elite areas is because you run Ursanway, wich we all know has no spot for change, it MUST be ursans and HB monks and TTs. My guild runs so many elite areas and dungeons and VQs in HM and im always there to SY for them. The only reason you dont see them in farming is because they are meant for party support and there is a para build for farming FoW Beaches.

Mesmer in Need · Jul 24, 2008, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Either leave the guild or kick him, or tell him to go back to runescape.

MagicalHobo · Jul 24, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Another good point is that the buffs from a Paragon cannot be stripped.

dilan155 · Jul 24, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by MagicalHobo

Another good point is that the buffs from a Paragon cannot be stripped.

and its party wide, so party wide unblock-ability, healing, hex removal, condition removal, speed buffs, IAS etc